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 </head><body><p>Adding libpng12-0 did the trick. Cinelerra5.1GG works on Kubuntu16.10.<br></p><p>But.....<br></p><p>Using the EDL that I saved when using Cinelerra5.5GG on OpenSuSE32 does not have the result I desire. The TOD footage is no problem, but the MTS footage, though recognised by Cinellera als having both video and audio, shows nothing on the timeline except for it being there. That is to say: audio nor video show up in the compositor window.<br></p><p>When recalculating the index, I find that Cinelerra only does this for the TOD, not so however for the MTS. That may be the reason.<br></p><p>Although I want to go further with Cinelerra on OpenSuse13.2, I will spend some time on this.<br></p><p><br></p><p>Ed<br></p><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite">Op 17 december 2016 om 13:48 schreef "Evaessen@ziggo Nl" <evaessen@ziggo.nl>:<br><br><div><div><p>Hello Phyllis,<br></p><p>So far, I can use cinelerra5.1GG (downloaded rpm package) without problems on OpenSuse13.2.<br></p><p>The problems with cinelerra5.1GG not seeing the video part of MTS files has been solved. The FF-button on the top right side simply must read 'Try FFMPeg first' when pointing at it with the mouse. It raises of course the question why the problem with the MTS files arises when the button is switched to 'Try FFMpeg last'. I'll leave it to the specialists to sort that out.<br></p><p>I am glad all works fine now and especially pleased with the fact that so much more codecs are available.<br></p><p><br></p><p>I will try your suggestion of downloading the libpng12-0 from the link you provided.<br></p><p>Pity still that compiling from source runs into the problem with x264, both on Kubuntu16.10 and OpenSuSE13.2, despite the following suggestion, given by GG:<br></p><p><span style="color: #339966;">Do you have a libx264 installed on your system?  If so, try this:</span><br><span style="color: #339966;">./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-x264=auto</span><br><span style="color: #339966;">The default for enable-x264 is “yes”, which enforces a static build.</span><br><br><span style="color: #339966;">If you want the “just do it” version, use:</span><br><span style="color: #339966;">export CFG_VARS='CFLAGS+=" -fPIC"'</span><br><span style="color: #339966;">export MAK_VARS='CFLAGS+=" -fPIC"'</span><br><span style="color: #339966;">export CFG_PARAMS="--with-pic --enable-pic --disable-asm"</span><br><span style="color: #339966;">This forces -fPIC for all static library builds.  not as good, but usable.</span></p><p>The fact that the problem occurs on two distributions is perhaps a clue for the solution?<br></p><p><br></p><p>Regards,<br></p><p>Ed<br></p><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite"><!-- [if gte mso 9]> --><!-- <![endif] -->Op 16 december 2016 om 21:52 schreef Phyllis Smith <phylsmith2004@yahoo.com>:<br><br><div style="color: #000; background-color: #fff; font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_163756"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_163755" style="color: #000; background-color: #fff; font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145676"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145678">Ed:</span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145970"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145678"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145679"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145678">Going back to your original email on this problem where you had the <br clear="none"></span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145795" dir="ltr"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145678">libpng12.so.0 missing file, we think the following from this URL</span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145865" dir="ltr"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145678"><a id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145873" class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495enhancr2_b9abfab5-ab45-1ee5-c955-c6705ddfe03e" href="http://askubuntu.com/questions/840257/e-package-libpng12-0-has-no-installation-candidate-ubuntu-16-10-gnome" target="_blank">E: Package 'libpng12-0' has no installation candidate [ubuntu 16.10 Gnome]</a><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145972"><br clear="none"></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca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b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_146198" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 16px 12px; width: 99%;" colspan="1" rowspan="1"><h2 class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495card-title" style="font-size: 16px; line-height: 19px; margin: 0 0 4px 0; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">E: Package 'libpng12-0' has no installation candidate [ubuntu 16.10...</h2><div class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495card-description" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: 15px; color: #999;">I tried to install WPS Office on my laptop (ubuntu 16.10 Gnome, 64 bit) with Gdebi installer but it said Depe...</div></td><td style="text-align: right; padding: 16px 12px 16px 0;" colspan="1" rowspan="1"> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145921"><br clear="none"></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145874" dir="ltr"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145678"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145876" dir="ltr"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145678">might fix the problem:</span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145797" dir="ltr"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145678"><br clear="none"></span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145791"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145792">"You can download the libpng12-0 from here. <a id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145793" href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/i386/libpng12-0/download" target="_blank">http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/i386/libpng12-0/download</a> for 386 architecture and <a id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145794" href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libpng12-0/download" target="_blank">http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libpng12-0/download</a> for 64 bits. I had the same dependences problem. But downloading and installing fix the error. Ubuntu 16.10 kill these libs jeje."</div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145677" class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_146021"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170535">At least this worked for 1 person for a different package so worth a try with</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170570">your original   "sudo apt install cin".<br></div></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_146132">It is possible that it will just get you to the next error (x264?). <br clear="none"></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_146033">I have been working with Good Guy all morning on some kind of workaround</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_146039" dir="ltr">but short of installing kubuntu on another partition on his build machine,</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_146095" dir="ltr">haven't come up with anything else.  When 16.10 is released for ubuntu</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_146097" dir="ltr"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171258" dir="ltr">as opposed to Kubuntu he will upgrade and that may provide a solution then.</div></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_146002"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170455" class=".ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yahoo_quoted"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145980" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145979" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170454" class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-qtdSeparateBR">In response to your statement:<br><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170662" dir="ltr">"Cinelerra on OpenSuSE13.2 is giving some yet unsolved problems"</div><br>Has this been resolved as you stated in another email that the video<div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170743" dir="ltr">from an MTS file was missing (only audio was there)?   If that was</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170953" dir="ltr">the only issue with 13.2 then a subsequent email from you says video</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170894" dir="ltr">was back.</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170896" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170901" dir="ltr">If you have problems that keep you from moving forward such as:<br></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171033" dir="ltr"> 1) if Kubuntu package install with libpng12 addition breaks cinelerra?</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171121" dir="ltr"> 2) if Suse 13.2 cinelerra not working still?</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171344" dir="ltr">Else, we will assume that you can successfully use cinelerra. <br></div></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yqt91325" class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yqt0527679105"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145978" dir="ltr"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_145983" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"> </span><hr id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170897" size="1"><strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></strong> "Evaessen@ziggo Nl" <evaessen@ziggo.nl><br clear="none"> <strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></strong> cinelerra <cinelerra@lists.cinelerra-cv.org> <br clear="none"> <strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></strong> Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:43 PM<br clear="none"> <strong><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></strong> [CinCV TNG] Cinelerra startup problem on Kubuntu16.10<br clear="none"></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170590" class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170589"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170588">Hello all!</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170592"><br clear="none"></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_170594">Since Cinelerra on OpenSuSE13.2 is giving some yet unsolved problems, I installed Kubuntu16.10 on another partition (I have a multi-boot system).<br clear="none"></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171303">I installed cinelerra all right with:</div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171308" style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171307" style="font-family: monospace;"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171306" style="color: #000000;"><span id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1481766495515_171305" style="background: #ffffff;">sudo apt install cin</span></span><br clear="none"> </span><br clear="none"></div><div>Alas, when giving the command 'cin' in the bash shell, this is the error I got:</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="background: #ffffff;">cin: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory</span></span></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="background: #ffffff;">Of course libpng exists. It is only that it is <span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;">libpng16, according to the synaptic package manager.</span></span><br clear="none"></span></span></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="background: #ffffff;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;">Is there a way to get libpng12?<br clear="none"></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="background: #ffffff;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;"><br clear="none"></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="background: #ffffff;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;">Regards,<br clear="none"></span></span></span></span></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="background: #ffffff;"><span style="font-family: monospace;"><span style="color: #000000;">Ed</span></span></span></span></span></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yqtfd83879" class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yqt6538801838"><br clear="none"></div><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yqtfd48539" class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yqt6538801838"><div style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%;"><br style="font-family: monospace;" clear="none"></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div id="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yqtfd71868" class="ox-757ba75b09-ox-f9bda725ca-yiv0150659495yqt6538801838">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Cinelerra mailing list<br clear="none"><a href="mailto:Cinelerra@lists.cinelerra-cv.org" target="_blank">Cinelerra@lists.cinelerra-cv.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="http://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cinelerra" target="_blank">http://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cinelerra</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p><br> </p><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br>Cinelerra mailing list<br>Cinelerra@lists.cinelerra-cv.org<br>http://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cinelerra<br></blockquote><p><br> </p></div></div></blockquote><p><br> </p><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@lists.cinelerra-cv.org http://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cinelerra</blockquote><p><br> </p></body></html>